Ward Cunningham interview at 17:30 
Ward Cunningham remarking in the context of “the simplest thing that can possibly work”:
"The nice thing about building with bricks is, you can build the wall up to about the height of the window and walk around the room and decide where the windows should go. You have to decide where the window should be you build with studs even bigger better have the studs now that
17:49
center of a window. And that architectural approach, that lets you learn something important about a big project by taking small steps that aren't invalidated as you get further down the road. You aren't forced to make decisions that you don't have to make.
and of course in software you could pretty much do
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anything in any order you can if you want to yeah I mean there's no basement that holds everything there's there's a
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thing here and a thing here and they talk to each other and if you do this one before this one well you kind of faked this one right in or if you do
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this one first you think this out you there's there's something you can do with pretty much everything you write in